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It’s not often you get the opportunity to confront someone who didn’t give you a job. But in a new video that you’ll only see in full on Tudum, The Sandman creator Neil Gaiman gets just that opportunity. And he says... thank you?

The video sees the prolific author interviewed by another famous fantasy face: George R.R. Martin, author of Game of Thrones. As the two discuss Gaiman’s work on the new Sandman Netflix series, Gaiman finds room to pay tribute to Martin’s unlikely influence on the long-lived comic series. “I owe all of [this] to you,” Gaiman notes.

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“Yes, you do,” Martin agrees with a chuckle. Gaiman originally pitched the Sandman character to Martin, as a part of his Wild Cards connected universe of superhero storytelling. Martin turned him down, Gaiman turned to DC Comics instead and the rest is history. “It’s not the greatest decision I made in my editing career,” Martin says. Ah well. No hard feelings.

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Tom Sturridge plays Morpheus, the Lord of Dreams. He’s one of the Endless, immortal beings that have sovereignty over their respective realms. Morpheus’ realm is the Dreaming, where he creates dreams and nightmares.
Gwendoline Christie plays Lucifer Morningstar, an angel who has fallen out of God’s favor. Lucifer rules Hell and the thousands of demons that inhabit the fiery realm.
Kirby Howell-Baptiste plays Death, Dream’s older sister and one of the Endless. She’s a benevolent entity who guides the recently departed to the Sunless Lands.
Jenna Coleman plays Johanna Constantine, a young woman who hails from a long line of demon hunters.
Mason Alexander Park plays Desire, another one of the Endless. Unlike Death, Desire has a contentious relationship with their brother, Dream.
Boyd Holbrook plays the Corinthian, a nightmare created by Morpheus who preys upon mortals in the waking world. He wears sunglasses to hide that he has mouths where his eyes should be.
Asim Chaudhry plays Abel, Cain’s brother. He loves all living things, especially gargoyles.
Sanjeev Bhaskar plays Cain, Abel’s brother. Filled with rage, Cain murders Abel every day.
Donna Preston plays Despair. She is the twin of Desire. Her sigil is a barbed hook, which she uses to tear into her own cheek to inflict pain. 
Joely Richardson plays Ethel Cripps, a thief who acquires Morpheus’ tools after he is imprisoned.
David Thewlis plays John Dee, a mentally disturbed man who comes into possession of the powerful Dream ruby, one of Morpheus’ tools.
Vivienne Acheampong plays Lucienne, the librarian of The Dreaming. While Morpheus is imprisoned, it falls upon her to manage the realm.
Patton Oswalt voices Matthew the Raven, a recently deceased human who returns in the form of a bird. He serves as Morpheus’ eyes in the waking world.
Mark Hamill voices Merv Pumpkinhead, the janitor of The Dreaming. Merv’s head is a giant gourd and his body is a scarecrow.
Charles Dance plays Roderick Burgess, a man obsessed with the occult and bringing his dead son back from the dead.
Vanesu Samunyai plays Rose Walker, a seemingly unremarkable young woman with a remarkable secret power.
Stephen Fry plays Gilbert, Rose’s quirky upstairs neighbor who has a secret of his own.

While The Sandman comics have been beloved for decades, it took quite a bit of elbow grease to make the transition to the screen. For years, Sandman adaptations died on the vine, and Gaiman almost gave up hope that one would come to fruition. “All of them failed because trying to make 3,000 pages into a two-hour film is frankly going to fail,” Gaiman tells Martin. But eventually, someone had a bright idea: Why not involve the series’ creator from the jump? “When we did our pitch, they were saying the one unique selling point that we have is we have Neil Gaman, and none of the previous adaptations did,” Gaiman says. 

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As the cast met in person at The Sandman’s San Diego Comic-Con panel, the author had a vision. “I got to watch some of the dynamics of their characters playing out for real. I watched Mason Alexander Park, who plays Desire, sort of gently teasing Tom Sturridge, who plays Morpheus,” Gaiman says. “There’s a cohesive friendship here, which makes me very happy. It’s like, ‘Oh, we have to carry this on because these people have to be in the same place again.’ ” Now that the Sandman has finally found his way to the world of the living, Gaiman wants to keep him here. 

For more from Gaiman and Martin, including the story of The Sandman comic’s hurricane-infused birth and an anecdote about a frightening plane ride with a Death cosplayer, check out the full video above.

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